“What you need to do, I think, is constantly update your thesis as you go, which can allow for longer holding periods, because things do change. And at the same time, I go into investments with a multi-year horizon—but my thesis might be disproven fairly quickly” – Dan Roller
In this episode of Outliers, I’m talking with Dan Roller (@Dan_Roller) about the power of buy-and-build companies, investing in special situations, interesting value-oriented opportunities in SPACs, and how becoming a better investor is similar to training for an Ironman competition.
Dan Roller is Founder and Chief Investment Officer of Maran Capital Management, a boutique, value-driven investment manager with a carefully crafted portfolio of companies, including Clarus, Scott’s Liquid Gold, Turning Point Brands, and Pure Cycle. Prior to starting his own fund, Dan honed his investment philosophy and process for over a decade working in research analyst and portfolio management roles at well-regarded hedge funds in New York City, including Credit Suisse First Boston and Impala Asset Management.
Chapters in this interview:
- 00:01:45 – MOI Global
- 00:03:36 – Dan’s background and start in the investment world
- 00:11:20 – The formation of Maran Capital
- 00:14:59 – Choosing your hunting ground and creating structural advantages
- 00:21:21 – Researching and choosing companies to invest in
- 00:28:27 – How building investment knowledge is like training for the Ironman
- 00:32:17 – Examples and basics of buy-and-build companies
- 00:41:04 – How buy-and-build can go wrong
- 00:45:20 – Investing in Clarus and Turning Point Brands
- 00:51:40 – The value vs. growth debate
- 00:54:57 – Investing in SPACs
- 00:58:06 – Thesis drift and mental models
- 01:02:21 – Resources for learning about investing
For more explore the transcript of this episode.
Links from the Episode
- Connect with Dan: Twitter | LinkedIn | Maran Capital
- MOI Global (Manual of Ideas) - Latticework Event
- John Mihaljevic
- Dan's Investor Letters
- Duke University Investment Club
- Credit Suisse First Boston
- Impala Asset Management and Founder/CIO Bob Bishop
- Soros Fund Management
- Tiger Global
- Julian Robertson
- Wilbur Ross
- Bic
- Scopus Asset Management
- Ironman Triathlon
- Charlie Munger and the Lollapalooza Effect
- Warren Kanders
- Armor Holdings
- Watsco
- Monster Energy
- Clarus Corporation
- Whole Earth Brands
- American Outdoor Brands
- Smith & Wesson
- Turning Point Brands
- Valeant Pharmaceuticals
- Black Diamond Equipment
- Gregory Packs
- POC Sports
- Yvon Chouinard
- Patagonia
- Zig-Zag
- Beech-Nut
- Stokers
- Phillip Morris
- Altria
- Warren Buffet quote: “All sensible investing is value investing.”
- Peter Lynch
- Bloomberg
- sec.gov
- IAC and match.com
- Barry Diller
- Vimeo
- Berkshire Hathaway
Investment Terms:
- Cyclical companies
- Peak-and-trough earnings
- Replacement cost
- Spinoff
- Merger
- Rights offering
- Warrants
- Micro cap
- Lock-up agreement
- Position
- Concentration
- SPAC
- EBITDA
- Investment thesis
- Roll-up
- Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR)
- PIPE financing
Dan Roller's Recommended Books
- The Beginning of Infinity: Explanations That Transform the World by David Deutsch
- Things a Little Bird Told Me: Confessions of the Creative Mind by Biz Stone
- Creativity, Inc.: Overcoming the Unseen Forces That Stand in the Way of True Inspiration by Ed Catmull and Amy Wallace
- The Dhandho Investor: The Low-Risk Value Method to High Returns by Mohnish Pabrai